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| Rosenborg91 | Nov 19 2009, 10:04 AM Post #481 |
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How French do you have to be to defend a goal like that? Surely, the ref is the boss, but dishonest players are shit. France 2009 is shit and they had to cheat to steal a spot. Not deserved. |
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| TC Admin | Nov 19 2009, 01:32 PM Post #482 |
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BBC Sport is going mad over this. Normally they do a live text thing during games to give updates and stuff, but now they're doing a live text for the "reaction to the Republic of Ireland's exit", and it's the main thing on the website!  How strange. See it here. I'm really surprised they're doing a live text the day after  A BBC Sport reporter says: "How about Fifa imposing ban on Thierry Henry for deception after last night? Starting at the World Cup and for three games?" Some other dude comments on how it's not even mentioned on the FIFA website, which is strange actually. Henry himself has added: "I will be honest it was a handball but I'm not the referee. "I told (Richard) Dunne and he said the same to me, 'you're not the ref'. That's why the players did not come to me, that's why they went to the referee. You can clearly see the opportunity. Sebastien Squillaci went to jump for the ball with two Irish players and I'm behind him. The next thing I know the ball hit my hand, my arm even. It was right in front of me, I played it. The ref allowed it and that's a question you should ask him." Graham Poll also says that if Henry is punished then Anelka should be punished for the dive too. At least I'm not the long one who thinks he dived!  Many people are asking for replays too, including politicians. Someone thinks Platini is probably clapping his hands right now  This whole thing is weird, even Trapattoni's having a press conference in half an hour. A massive debate many hours after it happened... 
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| Babis | Nov 19 2009, 01:59 PM Post #483 |
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Congratulations France! Nothing will change so get over it... They earned a world cup spot and that won't change >.< But they cheated or at least the ref did Edited by Babis, Nov 19 2009, 02:00 PM.
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| TC Admin | Nov 19 2009, 02:04 PM Post #484 |
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Indeed, congratulations to them, but a shame they qualified in this way.
I'm surprised the referee isn't getting as much stick as Henry is getting at the moment... |
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| Rosenborg91 | Nov 19 2009, 03:04 PM Post #485 |
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I'm not congratulating cheaters... 31 Teams deserves the spot this year. I don't think Henry should be banned, though. There's no rule that suggests this, like UEFA suddenly gave Eduardo a ban (that they later removed) because of the dive against Celtic. |
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| Lee Vilenski | Nov 19 2009, 03:26 PM Post #486 |
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31 teams deserved they're spots, and one other team were robbed. Although, to be fair, not Henry's fault. Any other player would have played on. |
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| ligue1marseille | Nov 19 2009, 04:31 PM Post #487 |
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Henry was not dishonest, he actually admitted - how about you put on your glasses and read posts before saying shit next time you idiot. Blame the referee, not Henry. I've seen a few handballs from Norweigians myself, so I'd stop your French comments as well, to single out a whole fucking population is pointless - like you're saying I'm a cheat etc. etc. It's getting to a point where your comments are unnecessary and downright offensive. Your comments have no meaning. You're just shooting out comments from no where, give it a break really, save yourself some embarrassment and keep your pointless shit to yourself. The ref did not approach Henry, so obviously it is HIS fault and not Henry's. If the ref didn't blow his whistle, what did you expect Henry to do? Stop playing? Ofcourse not you fucking idiot. He continued and set up Gallas for the goal. It hit his hand and it clearly wasn't intentional although his second touch was suspicious (the second touch indeed was intentional, I'll say that), but like I said, the ref didn't blow and we're through. Things can't change eh, football is football, shit happens. The whole world is making a big fuss over Henry like he's committed the first handball ever. Come on, we see handballs almost every week in England, Germany, etc. Nobody makes a 2 days fuss over those. And to end my point: If England, or Norway for that matter, qualified for the World Cup in that fashion, I'm sure you guys wouldn't be talking right now. Maybe a few "meh it was a handball, but oh well, we're through"s, but really I highly doubt you would be posting over the controversy like this. It's only because it happened to another team that you're all so critical. Handballs aren't new folks, and while I'm not proud of what happened last night, I'm happy we've qualified. We don't deserve it - especially with the horrible performance last night, but we're through none the less. We'll have to put up with Domenech next summer and should we get knocked out of the group stages, at least we won't have to put up with him any longer. But I'll tell you all this: I'd rather be there than see the Irish celebrating at the moment (and no one say otherwise because if you put your feet in our shoes in the moment, you know for sure you would say the same thing). Sure France aren't great, certainly not favorites by any longshot, we know that. We don't need to hear a repeat of your comments every minute, Marius. Norway are shite too, so you can calm yourself with the comments. ALSO: The Irish want to replay the match, I wouldn't be against that. I'm not liking the "French people are cheats" comments though, it isn't true and it's clearly a stereotype. You saying those comments shows how low you can be, Marius. Think before you post, idiot  Steve Bruce: Every player would've done it. It's instinctive. McCleish: Henry is not a cheat. Henry is not the bad guy here folks. I'm surprised you've been so critical afterall Marius, he was an Arsenal player. And you're an Arsenal fan? I'm starting to doubt that. Ask yourself this: Did Henry ever have a cheating reputation? If you can't answer that, then you don't deserve to be a footie fan. FIFA's referees are crap, a better ref could've been used -how about you ask yourself that. Did you know he's Scandinavian? That's a big hit for you lot, especially after Michelin man and now this dope HANSSON. No wonder why you aren't hitting on him, he's your blood! If there's anything I can say, it is that Scandinavian referees are horrible. My case is rested. |
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| andy82 | Nov 19 2009, 06:44 PM Post #488 |
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For those you state that hand-balling is a natural reaction is beyond ridiculous. I played soccer to a pretty decent level (Top Division Youth Football in South East Essex) for around 7 years, and not once did I ever subconsciously put my hand or arm towards the ball to keep it in play for whatever reason (And playing Wing & Wing Back, that option presents itself regularly), I never had a teammate or opposing player do so either. I could understand it if the ball had hit his arm, I'd let him off, but it didn't, he consciously made the decision to not only put his arm toward the ball, but let it hit his forearm and then slapped the ball in play. Do I blame the referees? No. That box was crowded and completely blocked out the view of the ref, and the linesman was on the other side. If I'm to put any blame on the officiating, it's on the ancient rules that state that one ref and two linesmen are capable of making sure the laws of the game are followed. Whether it being four linesmen or video refereeing I don't care. The fact is that a country has been denied off an appearance in the biggest sporting tournament in the world because of Thierry Henry's deceit and blatant attempt (and success) of breaking the rules, and more importantly, the out of date rules of the sport regarding officiating. One thing I will say, I believe that everyone and everything has a set amount of luck, and I believe France have used it all up. These things usually come back to bite people in the arse, and believe me, when France stink it up in South Africa, I WILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO CELEBRATE. |
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| Rosenborg91 | Nov 19 2009, 06:58 PM Post #489 |
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I'm sorry to "single out a population", but the fact that you defended what Henry did is because you're French and support them. Just thought it was ridicilous that you couldn't admit that what he did was wrong when you obviously would have been mad if it was the other way round. I've seen you in discussions earlier and sometimes it's just "I don't care if we cheat as long as we win". That's just my nature, but we're all different, eh.
The ref is the ref and he is the boss, indeed. He isn't perfect and he makes mistakes often during matches, but sometimes they are more important or more clear. In a match like this, a mistake gives huge consuequences. I haven't seen the ref's possition tbh but he probably should have seen it (or at least A GOAL REF WOULD HAVE, get them fucking in now, FIFA), but it doesn't hurt if the players were a bit more honest too. Things like offsides and 50-50 situations is up to the ref, but when you make a hands, well... Henry could not have ruled out the goal, indeed, he is not the ref. But if he was a honest player, he would have told the referee. He would have been a hero then and remembered for the rest of his career if he did that and probably receieved the fair play award straight away. Only a few humans would have done that, cos that lowered your chances for qualifying, but now that he handsed and never tried to stop the goal, he has to live with the critisim. Just imagine if Robbie Keane did the same and tell me what you would have been saying at the moment.
Hard to think of a scenario of Norway qualifying, but I'm sure I would have been a bit dissapointed that we had to cheat to go through. I would have admitted the cheating, though, unlike you who defends Henry and blames the ref. As usual, the ref is the bastard, even though the players are the cheaters.
So because my country is shit, I can't discuss? Do I have to discuss with people from Iceland and Luxembourg? I haven't said we're any better, in fact we're far below France's level. France isn't shit, they are shit compared to their history and the number of pro players they have in the country. Ofc, that's Domenech's fault, but as long as he is in charge they are shit. They can do very well in the WC finals, 2006 showed that, but the last quals and Euro 2008 proves that France in Domenech's era is bad, like you have said so many times.
Indeed. Because he is a former Arsenal player I can't feel sorry for Ireland who was robbed a WC spot, a spot they haven't got since 2002. Henry is a very fine player and I'll always remember him for the great great player he was. He was my favourite and my idol for many years until he left us, but I still think he is good. Henry handsed last night and that kicked a nation out of the world cup. If you're surprised to see reactions, then what the hell.
Your post was good, but this part is just embarrassing to read. We're having a discussion about Henry and you're attacking me with saying how crap the SWEDISH refs are!? Or Scandinavian in general? Norwegian refs are one of the best in Europe, even after that night at Stamford Bridge. But that was ONE or two bad decissions. Chelsea fans made a big storm out of it saying there were 6-7 decissions, but that's crap. Drogba was a true diver as always and tried to cheat through the entire match. And when did I become a Swede again? Maybe I should go on about Spanish and Italian refs since they borders to France? |
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| ligue1marseille | Nov 19 2009, 07:34 PM Post #490 |
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@Andy: When they say the handball was instinct, they didn't mean Henry planned this before the game to touch the ball. It just happened. You're entitled to your celebrations if you want, but I think you're better off sticking to your American Football, with lines involved and yards and what not. Now to the "fun" parts:
Let's get this straight, I defended Henry, I did not defend what he did. I know what he did was wrong, that's clear already. I'm not proud of the way we qualified either, I would've preferred we did it the right way. I was just happy that we went through last night, that's all. But if it means we'll have to replay to qualify the proper way, then I'm all for it. I'm not the type that accepts cheating, but I was happy last night and I had a right to be so. Overeaction? Looking back on it now, indeed. But I had a right to be happy, so those animal comments in off topic were uncalled for by miles. If Riise had done the same thing, I'm sure you'd be downplaying all of this.
He did tell the referee after the match (indeed, when the game was already over), but when the goal was scored, who would think of doing that? No one. They would go on and cheer with the rest of their teammates just like he did. To call him a liar and a cheat for the rest of his career based on this one moment is by far the most stupidest thing you can do. Henry is not a cheat, it just happened, he wasn't thinking. 80% of players in his shoes would have done the same thing, and I'm sure of it. What he did was wrong, but I'm defending Henry himself. He does not deserve all the bullshit treatment from you people.
Like I said above, I already acknowledged that Henry did handball it so fuck off you idiot. I am quite embarrassed as well of the way we had to qualify. My posts last night may tell a different story, but right after the match I wasn't thinking of the goal, I was thinking of the fact that we made it through. Again as I stated above, I'm defending Henry the player himself and not his action. I don't believe he deserves all the harrassing going on right now. This is not the first handball we've seen in the world so fuck off ffs.
The smartest thing I've seen in that post. As I've said so many times, I know we're shit with Domenech. But you don't need to repeat it with comments like "France 2009 is shit" every 5 seconds. Comments like these tend to get annoying after a while, since it is so obvious already.
I'm not surprised since a lot was at stake, but really, Henry isn't the first player to handle a ball. Then you see people comparing his hand to Maradona's against England, it's all bullocks really. Henry did not score, Maradona did.
Indeed, because I liked how you avoid critisizing your Scandinavian brother, yet you'd make pointless comments about French people. That's like me saying Scandinavians in all are retarded because they can't spot handballs from a certain range. |
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| Rosenborg91 | Nov 19 2009, 07:40 PM Post #491 |
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I have nothing to add to your post, it's pointless to discuss really. We're all agreed that Henry handsed and we can't do anything about it. I'm not supporting a solution where Ireland gets a new chance, cos the game is played. If we had to play a new game for every mistake in the game, this sport would die. France won and they are qualified. |
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| andy82 | Nov 19 2009, 07:53 PM Post #492 |
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Don't fucking talk down to me Frenchie! He made the decision to handle the ball twice!, if it just struck his forearm then I would accept the instinct argument, but he then proceed to slap the ball with his hand! You can't seriously believe it's an accident when he makes two attempts of controlling the ball with his hand! And maybe you can return to your own sport? Oh wait, the French don't have one, although seeing as the French Nation is famous for it's cowardice and uncanny ability of being invaded with ease, perhaps you could write a letter to the Reichstag surrendering the nation to the Germans, so you can get the British & Americans to save your Chicken Arses...Again! |
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| ligue1marseille | Nov 19 2009, 08:03 PM Post #493 |
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Fuck off you American! The second time was indeed intentional, clearly. I never said it wasn't, read you twat!
We have a sport for your information, it just shows how uneducated you are to say we don't based on this match. You clearly don't know two shits about anything besides American football you idiot. Then you bring the Holocaust into this? What the fuck does that have anything to do with it? Give me a break, get your head out of your arse you yank and stay with your American sports. Americans wouldn't know anything anyway, fucking proudcock as usual. Chicken Arses, what a foolish comment again. You're just anti-French that's all, why don't you fuck off back to your year long hibernation, it was better that way. The worst thing you can do is bring something like the Holocaust into this. Fucking idiot. I'm sure you loved the Germans too you Nazi-loving cunt. |
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| Lee Vilenski | Nov 19 2009, 08:21 PM Post #494 |
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Damn this is getting heated. |
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| Rosenborg91 | Nov 19 2009, 08:26 PM Post #495 |
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Please stay on topic guys and leave out racist comments that we highly don't want here on TC2 
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