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Catalan referendum
Topic Started: Oct 4 2017, 09:06 PM (627 Views)
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I'm sure you've all read about it. I'm not sure what to think of it really - on the one hand they've called an illegal referendum (and I'd hate to see Scotland do the same thing here) but on the other hand you've got to let people give their opinion. Separatism seems popular in Catalonia but I can't help but feel the result may have been a bit closer if it the referendum was legal and there was more of a debate between both sides on the pros and cons of independence...
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Hard to have a debate on both sides when there aren't two sides. The issue is that Catalonia isn't Spain, and Spain doesn't treat Catalonia as Spanish. Only as someone who needs to listen to what Madrid tells them to do, which Catalonians got sick of during all those years with Franco. And now that even the EU defends savage police brutality against peaceful protestors and schools where they suspected of being election locals, even the "maybe/unsure" voters of Catalonia is now at a radical yes-level.

It is nothing but dictatorial to keep millions of people suppressed, and fuck all nations enabling Spain to be tyrants, like the EU and even Norway. Calling it "an internal affair".
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even the "maybe/unsure" voters of Catalonia is now at a radical yes-level.
I think police brutality will influence some voters but it's hard to say Catalonia has a radical yes level when only like 40% voted! Shame, I'd like to see what the result would've been if nearly everyone voted.
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We'll never know. And Catalonia will have to struggle to get back to the sort of goverment they had before. Spain will not give them an inch back of the freedoms they have taken away.
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even the "maybe/unsure" voters of Catalonia is now at a radical yes-level.
I think police brutality will influence some voters but it's hard to say Catalonia has a radical yes level when only like 40% voted! Shame, I'd like to see what the result would've been if nearly everyone voted.
40% of Catalonians voted; but there were riot police physically removing people from voting... I mean, that would put me off placing my vote.

What I am still having issues thinking about, is that the vote was "illegal"? So why go in with police? Just denounce the vote and nothing changes.
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Because of the signal effect a successful vote would have given. Imagine the Scottish referendum being "illegal", but 90% of Scots voted Yes on independence, that proves that 90% of the nation agrees on it - and would not respond positivly on the English govnerment going "lol fuck u" and keep them under their control.

For Spain this is even more important than the UK, as Scotland, Wales and Northern-Ireland is actually considered as countries by the rest of the world, but the Catalonians and the Basque are bearly considered nations of their own.
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So, why is it illegal? And why not just have a digital vote instead. Would be much harder to break up.
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Why is it illegal for a part of a country to secede? Ask Texas. Ask the 13 colonies. Ask Ireland.
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The actual independence might be different, but I fail to see how a vote is the same.
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Because no state in the history of society have had a constitution that says "oh and btw if you want to break our state and make your own/join another, you are free to do this at any time". It is considered literally treason and a hostile act towards the state. Using votes can be even more dangerous that using guns.
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